Re: Spanish Aircraft Toys, Tin, Die Cast, and Plastic

[ec-abs]

ok Thanks

another pic of jyesa connie


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[grwebster]

That Connie has to rank right up there among the finest plastic aircraft toys ever made.
I would love to see one in person.
Too bad that it had the friction drive and huge wheels.

[Jyesaboy]

Well... as all you can see, there were some hidden beauties here in Spain...

[grwebster]

As I mentioned before, I am amazed that in over 35 years of collecting, mainly in USA and France, I have never seen nor heard of most of these toys.
Great assortment, well made and very worth while collecting.
Thanks to all our Spanish members {and Tone, too} for enlightening the forum about them.
Keep posting.

[ec-abs]

Well... as all you can see, there were some hidden beauties here in Spain...

Hidden treasures I would say

[grwebster]

for some earlier posts on Rico tin aircraft toys go to
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=853&p=4284&hilit=rico#p4284

also look at the posts above for the Rico seaplane and twin engine DH Racer. I have seen different landing gear/engine variations of the racer.
Dos anyone know which was earlier. Some people felt that these were all post war but I find that hard to believe. The Racer was in the news in 1934 and was forgotten about even before WW2.

[ec-abs]

Hi

I think is th same plane in clockwork system version and friction versión, but same age.
In the original catalogue of 1955, shows the clockwork versión as you can see.


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[grwebster]

My question remains, the autogiro was a 1920s {Spanish} invention and the Rico one in the catalogue was the last model and the one most sold in the mid 1930s period.
These had to be made prewar. They were all well outdated by 1955 and it makes no sense to create toys that are outdated. The 1955 catalog is mystery but perhaps when all toy production stopped in 1937 during the Spanish revolution, there was a good inventory of planes and parts and they sold them after the end of WW2?
Do any of you have price sheets, or catalogs, say pre 1937

[hovermd]

My question remains, the autogiro was a 1920s {Spanish} invention and the Rico one in the catalogue was the last model and the one most sold in the mid 1930s period.
These had to be made prewar. They were all well outdated by 1955 and it makes no sense to create toys that are outdated. The 1955 catalog is mystery but perhaps when all toy production stopped in 1937 during the Spanish revolution, there was a good inventory of planes and parts and they sold them after the end of WW2?
Do any of you have price sheets, or catalogs, say pre 1937

I would also love to hear if anyone has any early Rico catalogs or price sheets.

I've seen the larger clockwork Rico autogiro assigned a date of manufacture of both 1928 and 1932. And, I've seen the smaller stamped sheet metal autogiro (the one in the style of the more prolific Tootsietoy autogiro) attributed to 1930.

I personally own a number of these Rico autogiro toys and can say that their manufacture is decidedly earlier than 1955 - they genuinely look like they could date from the late 1920s-1930s.

Can anyone solve the mystery?

[grwebster]

I tend to aggree-The Tootsietoy style Rico autogiro is based on the 1932 design 30A. This the major production variant licensed to be made in UK, France, and Germany {Avro
Avro, Lioré-et-Olivier, and Focke-Wulf} This would imply that the first Rico production of the small toy would be somewhat after that time, for sure.
The earlier, large, friction drive Rico was not based on La Cierva's prototypes {he did not devolpe a biplane autogiro design- the rotors would hit the wing unless the mast was much taller} so an earlier date could be correct. It looks like Rico put rotors on an existing toy to make it an autogiro, just as Marx did with its Pressed steel ones.
read the history of La Cierva's invention here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cierva_C.30