No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

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No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby grwebster » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:49 pm

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The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber No. 749/992. Scale 1/197. 1955.
This large toy, modeled after the first Vulcan prototype that had the straight leading edge of the wing, created a lot of issues for the Binns Road, Liverpool factory. Initially numbered 703, later 707, then 749 when, owing to its massive size, it was decided to use aluminium in place of the normal zinc aluminium alloy. Later, still another number, 992, was assigned and appeared on the shop drawings along with the use of ‘SUPERTOYS’ in place of ‘DINKY TOYS’, but as it turned out both were only used on the packaging, not the casting itself for some reason.

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The Vulcan photo above shows the underside of Evan Spelfogel's original Vulcan.

While some reports have described various wing tip differences supposedly due to aluminum manufacturing and tooling problems, every confirmed original Vulcan casting I have seen (with one exception, see it below) has the same outline as the original 1953 shop drawings. Some others have been found having various angled cut-off wing tips but this was more likely due to attempts to fix play damage than casting variations during production.


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This photo above shows the squared wing tips as shown on the Meccano shop drawings

Reportedly during production, the wing tip areas in the tooling were blocked up and the castings became unusable. Some attempts at hand refinishing by rounding the tips was tried but this effort failed, and all further production ceased.

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Above is Max Hundley's Vulcan reportedly found and refurbished from the Meccano scrapbox at the factory for display at the London Toy Museum's Dinky Toys display. This example shows the rounded wing tips, probably done at the factory in an attempt to correct casting faults that eventually compromised on-going full production. All acceptable toys, probably less than 500, were shipped into Canada for sale to avoid commercial problems in other regions.

Dave Shelton, a Canadian collector has had many variants of the original Vulcan and discovered, quite inexplicably, that they vary in weight considerably noting that the heaviest casting was 159 grams and the lightest 139 grams.

The Vulcan toy was never mentioned in Meccano Magazine, and only appeared in the 1956 Canadian catalog. The entire episode was quickly forgotten, or so it was thought at the time. But then, slowly some of the original Canadian Vulcans started to turn up for sale with toy dealers and auction houses in Great Britain and caused a lot of excitement and collector frenzy. Over time these examples have found places in collections and while still considered extremely rare, they are occasionally seen for sale. Cast underneath the toy is ‘AVRO VULCAN - DELTA WING BOMBER - DINKY TOYS - MADE IN ENGLAND - MECCANO LTD - 749’. The original box had the number 992, not 749, and there are two versions of the box, one with a white Vulcan and another with a grey/silver one but the Vulcan toy itself was always silver. Caution should be exercised when buying a Vulcan as this toy had been reproduced in white metal.
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The Dinky Toys Vulcan commemorative issue

Postby grwebster » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:16 pm

Also developed for the London Toy Museum was a toy of a toy, a 1/2 scale model in pewter of the Vulcan. It was made by Mike and Sue Richardson and only sold at the museum. About 200 examples were made.
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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby grwebster » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:11 am

Jacques Du Jardin, creator of the excellent Dinky Toys Encyclopedia on cd disk {write to him for info-dinkycollect@free.fr}, suggested I look at the Dinky Club site where there was discussion on this airplane and others. Great site and a solid forum.

The Vulcan posts are here:
http://www.talkmodeltoys.com/discus/mes ... 1288869721
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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby jwatson » Sun Jan 08, 2012 2:57 pm

Hello,

I'm new here, but have been collecting and restoring Dinky Toys for a long time.

The Vulcan thread caught my eye. I have accumulated 8 of them over the years. The weights was an interesting observation. The weights of mine were measured to be: 141.5, 147.5, 149.1, 152.7, 154.5, 156.0, 157.7, and 159.7 grams. Perhaps Meccano was experimenting with alloys of aluminum and magnesium in differing proportion, and the differing specific gravities of aluminum and magnesium, when alloyed, produced different weights of the same casting. Just my guess though...

The wing tips are another issue. One of the first that I bought, came with a broken wing tip. I undertook a repair, which I will present here in photos I took of the process. The objective obviously was to create a permanent repair, which would not crack - thus non metallic repairs would be out of the question. I have done non metallic repairs of other Dinky Toy aircraft wings, but those were much less valuable toys, and I could afford the risk that they might crack. 'Never have though... Perhaps I'll present one of those repairs in the future.

In the mean time, here are a series of photos, showing how I repaired the Vulcan wing tip, with a machined aluminum part:

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One of my Vulcans has a weld repair to the wing tip, which I am convinced was welded at the factory. I believe this, because the paint seems to be original, and what is left of it goes right up to the weld. There is no way that a weld could be made that close to the paint without burning it. I can imagine the workers at the factory frustrated with damaged wing tips, of otherwise good castings, and deciding that a bit of weld might get it out the door. Here are top and bottom photos of mine:

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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby grwebster » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:08 pm

First of all Jim, welcome to our forum.
Your repair is quite spectacular. Well done.
What did you use to hold the machined part to the wing?
I wonder if you have any thoughts about the number of Vulcans produced.
Did all your examples come from Canada?
A long time ago Sir George Cox conducted an informal survey of specialized Dinky Toys and aircraft toy and model collectors in the UK that when combined with what I knew about American collectors lead us to believe that they were over 100 in collections at that point -What? 17 years ago or so ago.
Perhaps today they may have been some found and put into collections, say 150 today in total?
Any thoughts?
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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby jwatson » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:55 pm

Thanks for the welcome.

I have wondered how many Vulcans are out there. I have read the same letter and reports that I'm sure others have, which suggest that 500 were made, and all sent to Canada. Of the 8 I have collected, 6 came directly from within Canada, and I expect that 3 of those came directly from the toy box of the original owner. This, because apparently the seller had no idea what it was. 2 were in groups of very played with Dinky planes. The third was covered in USAF decals.

During the time I have had mine, I have seen 5 others sold on Ebay, for more than I'd be willing to pay. I saw one in the ACB store in Paris, 2 at the Toronto toy show, and I have a friend who has one. I am aware of the 12 owned by the fellow in Victoria. If he still has then, they can be added to the total I know of. If so, my known total would be 29 (less, if the fellow in Victoria has sold any of his). I'm sure that there must be many others out there too.

My repair of the wingtip involves the machined box joint as seen, which was cut after I drilled #70 holes at very precise locations well below the depth of the tabs.The box joint tabs all cut those holes exactly in half, so when pins are placed in the holes at assembly, the now completely round holes capture the pins completely, and prevent the dislocation of the box joint after assembly. It held well just with friction, but a bit of instant glue assured permanence. I'll do a few more when I have time, though not the welded one. Some have suggested that it is sacrilegious to restore old Dinkys, but when I see the workmanship from the original manufacture, and then the wear from hours of fun play, I think that both the maker, and the player, would be pleased to see the toy glow again. Out of respect to some future buyer, I do apply a decal, with the word "Restoration" (or conversion, as the case may be), along with the year. so there is no doubt that it is not original.

I have restored and converted quite a few Dinky planes, and a number of road vehicles too. I'll post some more detail in the time to come...
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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby grwebster » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:09 pm

Many thanks, Jim, for those details. I would then guess that there may be around 150 Vulcans around by now. Dave Shelton used to be able to find one or two a year, I suppose, in Canada.
I must have missed all of those on eBay, I did follow 3 auctions, in the last 6 or 7 years, one of which was in bad shape and another a full restoration without details.
I am vastly reducing my collection this year and will retain perhaps less than 100 or so toys and models from the several thousand I now have.
From my Dinky Toys aircraft only the rarest of them will stay, among them would certainly be my Vulcan, and some others that are the hard to find variants or early ones like the 'blue' Britannia, and yellow nosed green BF-109 etc which were later changed to a more common finish. But also I will keep around one or two of the fabulous Dinky conversions done by John Alcott in the 1980s, the Nimrod and the C-121 Connie for sure. I have 5 or 6 and it will be hard to choose!

Deciding on which toys which will go into the permanent collection is a challenge. When looking at a toy's merits, often I will recall when, where, and how much I paid, along with who I saw that day and other related memories.

Please do post some photos of what you have worked on. With your skills I am sure they are fabulous.
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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby fliegerii » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:46 pm

I also think, it is a very good and well done work.

In general it is to be remarked, that restauration and repair of old toys and models is carefully to be considered. I am definitely not belonging to these "purists", who in general refuse any kind of repair or restauration. Damaged models and toys always remain damaged, and last but not least as being damaged, they represent only partially their previous character. But on the other hand not every damaged toy or models must be repaired.

It nearly all depends on rarity.

I think we all agree, that the presented repair of a wingtip is not worth or useful for a Viking or a Swift. These models are that often to find, that at least a mint one is good for collectors, if not boxed.
On the other hand it is also clear, that minor chips on a Vulcan will not require paint repair. In such case it is better to keep the plane "original".
The broken wingtip here was worth to repair, as the model is rare and, as far as I could realise, a lot of the wingtip was missing.
To recover the original shape and impression, a repair is unavoidable and I would have done it as well, if I had the toolings (I don't!).

Good job!
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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby Rickskid » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:41 pm

Hi Guys,

I am new to the site , so please be gentle, here is some of my collection:

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I would love to own a Dinky Vulcan but unless I win a lottery there is not much chance of that happneing!

Earlier in this thread it is mentioned that full size reproductions of the Vulcan are available in white metal kits, does anyone know a direct link to a website where these kits are avaialble? I've always wondered why no-one has mass produced copies of the rare Dinky Aircraft as I bet they would sell like hot cakes at a reasonable price.

Here are some photos of the restoration of my Britannia which is what first got me into restoring Dinkys and then back into plastice modelling after a 20 year break.

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Hope some one can help.

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Re: No. 749/992 The Dinky Toys Avro Vulcan Delta Wing Bomber

Postby grwebster » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:55 pm

welcome Ian, and thanks for sharing your nice Dinky Toys collection.
Great restoration on the Britannia, too.
For the Vulcan copy in white metal {it is a very good replica BTW} they are on ebay.co.uk from time to time for about 70 pounds sterling{ about $105}, more if you want a replica box. I think they are finished though, not a kit.
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